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Installing Infomation and helpfull Links

Postby tommy » April 13th, 2011, 11:30 am

This link will show you tube style heat exchanger for your demisic hot water heater. And you may all so scroll down the linked page to see different heating system designs that will help you to install yours
:idea: http://www.centralboiler.com/otherExamples.html

and ( http://www.heatexchangersonline.com/sidearm.htm )
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Re: Installing Infomation and Links

Postby tommy » April 14th, 2011, 10:44 am

Her is a link to find out the daily cost of different fuels, to compare the costs of running a pellet/corn stove.Just put in the prices and see the differences. :?:
http://www.stcroixstoves.com/pellet-stoves/compare.htm
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Re: Installing Infomation and Links

Postby tommy » April 18th, 2011, 11:32 am

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I Also found a formula for water temperature. Its perfect for figuring the required water temperature at constant circulation based on outside temperature. It might come in useful for people doing constant circualtion. Getting more from the kit and using less gas. Water Temperature = Tinside air + (.571 x (Tinside air - Toutside air)) The .571 is a factor for the heatloss of an average home. It will fluctuate up or down depending on how well the building is insulated. So an example if you want an indoor temp of 70 and the outside temperature is 15 degrees.

The constant circulation water temp = 70 + ( .571 x (70 – 15)) = 101.4

Here is a chart with a full range of outdoor temps, in 5 degree increments.

Inside temp Building heat loss factor Outside Temp Water Temp
70 0.57 70 70
70 0.57 65 73
70 0.57 60 76
70 0.57 55 79
70 0.57 50 81
70 0.57 45 84
70 0.57 40 87
70 0.57 35 90
70 0.57 30 93
70 0.57 25 96
70 0.57 20 99
70 0.57 15 101
70 0.57 10 104
70 0.57 5 107
70 0.57 0 110
70 0.57 -5 113
70 0.57 -10 116
70 0.57 -15 118
70 0.57 -20 121
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Re: Installing Infomation and Links

Postby tommy » April 28th, 2011, 4:41 pm

Here is a very nice web site that has all kinds of infomation, on most pellet stoves please check it out
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http://www.pelletstovefires.com/crossli ... s-llc.html
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Re: Installing Infomation and helpfull Links

Postby tommy » May 1st, 2011, 3:29 am

Here is some Links to 6 Gallon Storage or Buffer tanks that I like ( Only because they look nice than round once )

1) http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R ... key=Search

2) http://bostonheatingsupply.com/ariston- ... alpou.aspx

3) http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0006GVO1M/ref ... B0006GVO1M
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Re: Installing Infomation and helpfull Links

Postby tommy » August 31st, 2011, 11:33 am

Here is a Link on forced air furnace Heat exchangers etc.
http://www.americanroyal.net/page/page/4344281.htm

To order plentum heat exchangers
877-339-0061 TOLL FREE

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Re: Installing Infomation and helpfull Links

Postby tommy » September 2nd, 2011, 1:31 pm

Installing Instructions for a Kit

INSTRUCTIONS :
FOR INSTALLING : A Side Mounted CROSSLINK CONVERSIONS BOILER KIT

NOTE;
THERE ARE PICTURES TO SEE TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST

NOTE:
You will need to add your own pump to the kit. This pump is to be running before the fire box has fire and until the fire box is cooled.


WARNING: (DO NOT BURN STOVE WITHOUT WATER BEING PUMPED THROUGH THE HEAT EXCHANGER DAMAGE TO YOUR SELF AND THE HEAT EXCHANGER MAY OCCUR).


by tommy » September 2nd, 2011, 12:31 pm
scroll down towards the bottom of this page.

Step 1
TAKE THE DOOR OFF AND PLACE IN SAFE Place
Step 2
PLACE. and TAPE TEMPLATE TO THE RIGHT OR LEFT SIDE OF STOVE DEPENDING ON WITCH KIT YOU HAVE, LEAVING ¼ INCH OF SPACE TO FRONT OF STOVE .
Step 3
NEXT MARK THE SQUARE HOLE TO BE CUT OUT.
Step 4
REMOVE TEMPLATE and USE A PUNCH TO START A DRILL HOLE IN EACH CORNER .
DRILL A HOLE IN EACH CORNER (USING A 3/8'S OR SO DRILL BIT) ..
Step 5
NOW CUT OUT FROM HOLE TO HOLE (IF YOU USE A JIG SAW PLACE TAPE ON bottom of the SAW TO PROTECT THE STOVES FINISH) YOU MAY WANT TO USE A SAWZALL AFTER GETTING THE BLADE TO FIT
Step 6.
FILE OFF EDGES FOR NOT TO GET CUT .
Step 7
INSERT HEAT EXCHANGER AND USING THE SELF-TAPING SCREWS MOUNT THE EXCHANGER TO THE STOVE (YOUR INSTALLER MAY NEED HELP FROM ANOTHER PERSON TO HOLD IN PLACE WHILE DOING THIS STEP) DO NOT TIGHTEN SCREWS AT THIS POINT.
Step 8
YOU NEED TO SEAL BETWEEN THE EXCHANGER AND THE HOLE. YOU MAY USE A HIGH TEMP SILICONE OR A ROPE STYLE DOOR GASKET,( NOT INCLUDED ) BETWEEN THE STOVE AND EXCHANGER ALL THE WAY AROUND THE SQUARE HOLE ,WHILE THE SCREWS ARE LOOSE (MARKING SURE THAT THERE WILL BE NO AIR LEAKS AFTER YOU TIGHTEN THE 4 CORNER SCREWS. (NOTE: DO NOT OVER TIGHTEN AS YOU MAY BREAK OFF SCREWS)
STEP 9
YOU MAY REPLACE THE DOOR NOW IF YOU CHOOSE.
STEP 10
USE TEFLON PAST AND TEFLON TAPE ON THREADS TO INSTALL THE PIPES. . TAKE UNIONS APART TO INSTALL THE SHORT PIPES TO THE EXCHANGER.
INSTALL LOWER PIPE FIRST (THIS IS THE OUT FROM THE HEAT EXCHANGER). AND HAS THE THERMOSTAT HOUSING AND PRESSURE VALVES ON IT .
STEP 11
NEXT INSTALL UPPER PIPE TO THE UPPER PIPE OF THE HEAT EXCHANGER (THIS IS THE SUPPLY OR" COLDER WATER INTO THE HEAT EXCHANGER) AND IT HAS THE ONE-WAY CHECK VALVE ON IT NOW IT.

AS THE STOVE IS NOW GOING TO BE USED TO HEAT WATER ALSO

NOTE:
If your stove can be controlled with a wall style thermostat for room temp, then the stove can be controlled using an aquastat to set the water temp the same way buy attaching the aquastat to the upper pipe witch is the inlet to the heat exchanger.
So when the water reaches the temp that you set in the loop the contacts of the aquastat should open ,in turn stepping down the stoves settings as a wall thermostat does.
Most aquastats have another function all so ,they have a different setting dial to close the contacts upon when the water temp becomes lower that can be adjusted to close the contacts to allow the stove to step up its settings

NOTE:
For Harman's only

Harman's need to have the room sensor cord changed over to being a aquastat water sensor, so that it can sense the water temp now instead of the room air temp the control board on Harman's works off of omens not normally open and close circuitry. The kit comes with the parts needed to change the omens so that the control board will now work the same as it did before the boiler kit,( JUST ADD THE SHORT RESISTOR THAT COMES WITH THE HARMAN KIT TO ONE OF THE PLUG IN'S TO THE ROOM SENSOR CORD THAT PLUGS INTO THE REAR OF STOVE ) by using the room temp settings. The knob can now be used to adjust the temp of the water that works best for your heating application.

NOTE:
Add the SHORT RESISTOR WIRE to ONE of the sensor cord WIRES that plugs into the rear of the stove, and attach the other end of the cord to the top pipe about 3 inches from the bend close to the first union. use zip ties to secure firmly to the TOP pipe from the heat exchanger.


NOTE...
DO NOT USE TAPE it can melt and cause the sensor to fall off, AND THEN THE CONTROL BOARD WILL TRY TO MAKE THE WATER HOTTER

NOTE:
As always putting safety first. It is recommend ( ON ALL CROSSLINK CONVERSIONS KITS ) attaching another aquastat to sense if the water gets to hot to shut down the stove ( due to pump failure, or what ever as things just can happen ) with the temperature set ten degrees above your systems operating temp ( to allow enough time for the fire to cool down and the water not to get to an unsafe boiling temp) to the OUTLET pipe.... of the crosslinks kit , or the hot water exit ( on ALL Crosslink kits ) coming out from the kits heat exchanger. And wire splice it into the black wire (on the Harman's and most stoves ) to the stoves feed auger motor. To open the circuit to the feed motor and shut off the fuel supply to the stove. ( This will work as if the stove has ran out of fuel ( pellets corn etc.) So the control board can sense that the stove is out off fuel and shut down. ( on Harman's it will set the stove into a shut down 6 plink mode). There for shutting down burn pot well before the water can raise to 200 DEGREES.

NOTE:
See the video's from the home page of Crosslink Conversions .com
As this Video shows a Honeywell aquastat being attached ( to the kits outlet water pipe of the Crosslink kit for sencing the waters temperature.) to the Stoves feed auger motor of the stove and should be used to shut down the stove, If the water was to get to hot.( for any reason )





THE CROSSLINK KIT NEEDS IT'S OWN LOOP, WATER SUPPLY AND ITS OWN PUMP.

THE BOILER IN YOUR HOME MAY ALREADY HAVE A FEW GALLONS OF WATER SUPPLY ALREADY BUILT INTO IT. AND CAN BE USED IN THE LOOP FOR THE STOVES WATER SUPPLY.AS LONG AS THE KIT HAS IT OWN PUMP.AND RUNS WHEN STOVE WITH KIT IS TURNED ON.

NOTE;
USING THE CROSSLINK KIT TO HEAT A HOME USING A FORCED AIR FURNACE

YOU WILL NEED TO ADD A WATER SUPPLY TANK AND A PUMP IN THE LOOP SO THE KIT WILL HAVE ITS OWN WATER AND PUMP TO HEAT ENOUGH GALLONS ( AROUND 14 GALLONS OR SO TOTAL INCLUDING THE WATER IN THE PIPES ,KIT AND Domestic HOT WATER HEATERS TUBE HEAT EXCHANGER ( IF USED ) OF WATER TO PUMP THRU THE FURNACE AND BACK TO IT TO GET REHEATED .
( THIS CAN BE ANY BRAND THAT IS INSULATED ,ROUND OR SQUARE)

NOTE :
THE SUPPLY TANK BIGGER IS NOT BETTER
THIS TANK HAS MANY FUNCTIONS . A 6 TO 8 GALLON TANK WORKS BETTER THAN A 20 OR 30 GALLON TANK ,BECAUSE OF THE RECHARGE TIME, MOST HOT WATER HEAT EXCHANGERS IN THE FURNACE ONLY CAN TAKE OUT AROUND 20 TO 30 DEGREES( USING A TACO 007 PUMP ) FROM THE WATER GOING THRU IT .
EXAMPLE: 160 DEGREES OF WATER GOING IN TO THE FURNACE AND 140 DEGREES COMING OUT LOOPING BACK TO THE STOVES KIT AND GETTING RECHARGED BACK TO 160 DEGREES .
THE HARMAN'S KIT CAN PUT 20 TO 30 DEGREES BACK INTO THE WATER .
THIS TANK ALL SO IS USED AS A STORAGE TANK AND GIVES THE STOVE TIME REGULATE THE FUEL UP OR DOWN AS NEEDED IN AUTO MODE USING A AQUASTAT TO SENSE THE WATERS TEMP TO TELL THE STOVE WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO .ALL SO MORE PUMPS CAN BE ADDED TO THE TANK WITH THERE OWN LOOPS . ( IF A PERSON WANTED TO ADD MORE LOOPS USING HEAT EXCHANGER FOR( HOT TUBES ,JACUZZI'S, ETC. ) PUMPING DIFFERENT QUANTITIES OF WATER TO FLOW AT DIFFERENT TIMES IF NEEDED.

SOME SYSTEMS NEED A CAR THERMOSTAT ( WITH A SMALL HOLE IN IT,) TO CONTROL THE WATER FLOW AND TEMP ON THE VERY LOW STOVE SETTINGS (BTU, S). THIS ALLOWS ENOUGH HOT WATER TO FLOW THROUGH THE HEAT EXCHANGER IN THE STOVE, AND TO THE DOMESTIC HOT WATER HEATER'S HEAT EXCHANGER ,AND WHEN THE WATER BECOMES HOTTER, the thermostat OPEN'S UP ALLOWING THE PUMP TO PUSH MORE GALLONS PER MINUTE, THROUGH THE STOVES HEAT EXCHANGER, AS YOUR STOVE HEAT'S THE WATER AT DIFFERENT HEAT SETTING'S.
THE SMALL HOLE ALLOWS THE WATER TO MOVE THROUGH THE CROSSLINKS HEAT EXCHANGER AND TO FLOW TO THE THERMOSTAT SO IT CAN OPEN AS NEEDED . IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO HEAT YOUR DOMESTIC HOT WATER THROUGH A SEPARATE HEAT EXCHANGER .THAN THE THERMOSTAT MAY NOT BE NEEDED IN YOUR THERMOSTAT HOUSING ALLOWING THE WATER TO FREE FLOW THROUGH THE KIT .

NOTE;
BUY REMOVING THE THERMOSTAT., THE FASTER THE FLOW GPM
( GALLON'S PER MINUTE ) OF WATER THE PUMP (WHEN RUNNING) WILL PUMP THROUGH THE STOVE. AND BACK INTO YOUR BOILERS SUPPLY TANK, AND OR THE 6 GALLON, ( OR SO ) SUPPLY TANK .

NOTE:
THE WATER'S TEMP WILL NOT BE CONTROLLED AS NEEDED ( for your domestic hot water heaters using a external tube heat exchangers) ON THE LOWER STOVE SETTING'S WHEN THE THERMOSTAT IS REMOVED FROM IT'S HOUSING.

OTHER SYSTEMS MAY NEED A WATER SUPPLY TANK ALL SO

A 6 GALLON OR SO TANK ALSO ALLOWS,
TWO PUMPS (IF NEEDED) TO PUMP WATER (TO AND FROM IT), AT THE SAME TIME.( USING DIFFERENT OUT LETS SO THAT THEY DO NOT WORK AGAINST EASH OTHER )
EXAMPLE To a swimming pool and or a Jacuzzi HEAT EXCHANGERS ) WITH DIFFERENT GPM FOR EACH PUMP MUST HAVE IT'S OWN LOOP

NOTE:
(DO NOT TRY TO SUPPLY BOTH PUMPS FROM ONE SUPPLY LINE OUT) BECAUSE THEY WILL WORK AGAINST EACH OTHER. AND THE STOVE'S PUMP WILL NOT GET THE WATER SUPPLY NEEDED ,TO PUSH THE WATER THROUGH THE KIT PROPERLY. HOW EVER THE RUTURN LINES MAY USE THE SAME INLET MOST OF THE TIME.

NOTE: YOU WILL NEED TO ADD A PUMP TO THE CROSSLINKS KIT,

THIS PUMP IS FOR PUMPING WATER THRU THE STOVE .AND NEEDS TO ALWAYS BE RUNNING WHILE THE STOVE IS BURNING, ALWAYS PUMPING OUT FROM THE BOTTOM OF ANY WATER SUPPLY TO THE KIT IN THE STOVE, THEN THRU THE Domestic HOT WATER HEATERS
EXTERNAL TUBE STYLE HEAT EXCHANGER , IF YOU CHOOSE TO ADD ONE INLINE)
See this link on side arm heat exchangers ( http://www.heatexchangersonline.com/sidearm.htm )
THEN TO THE HOMES MAIN BOILER AND THEN LOOPING ( RETURNING) BACK TO THE STOVES KIT.

NOTE:
(When using A SUPPLY TANK FOR A FORCED FURNACE THE RETURN LINE GOES' BACK TO THE TOP OF TANK ), TO ALWAYS INSURING THAT THE KIT HAS IT'S OWN WATER SUPPLY IN THE LOOP

ALL THE STOVES KITS ARE DESIGNED WITH TWO BOILER 30-POUND PRESSURE RELIEF VALVES. ONE FOR OUTSIDE AIR PRESSURE RELIEF FOR SAFETY AND ONE AS A BUY PASS IF PRESSURE WAS TO ACURE IF THE THERMOSTAT FAILS OR THE SMALL HOLE BECOMES PLUGGED (OR IF SOMETHING WAS TO CAUSE PRESSURE IN THE STOVES HEAT EXCHANGER THE WATER CAN BYPASS THE THERMOSTAT HOUSING AND KEEP CIRCULATING IN THE LOOP TO THE TANK OR THE MAIN BOILER, AND STILL ALLOW THE MAIN BOILER'S SYSTEM SAFETY'S TO OPERATE.

NOTE;.....IF THE BUY PASS PRESSURE RELIEF VALVE POPS......... SHUT DOWN THE STOVE IMMEDIATELY........... ALLOWING THE WATER TO COOL TO ROOM TEMPERATURE THEN SHUT DOWN ALL.... ELECTRICITY..... TO STOVE AND PUMPS, BEFORE OPENING THE THERMOSTAT HOUSING.

WARNING....... (CHECK WITH A LICENSED HEATING CONTRACTOR TO INSTALL THIS RETRO FITTING BOILER KIT. DO NOT INSTALL YOUR SELF .YOU SHOULD GET A PERMIT TO HAVE THIS INSTALLED, AND HAVE THE WHOLE SYSTEM INSPECTED BY A BUILDING INSPECTOR ) AND INFORM YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY OF WHAT YOU HAVE HAD DONE. PLEASE EMAIL ME IF YOU HAVE ?????'S
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Re: Installing Infomation and helpfull Links

Postby tommy » September 2nd, 2011, 3:40 pm

Here is a drawing a customer sent me on his system. He is taking out his old oil boiler totaly ???? .And going to use a 6 gallon tank in place of it
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Re: Installing Infomation and helpfull Links

Postby tommy » September 2nd, 2011, 3:47 pm

Most stove's have a room temp auto mold setting to regualate the stoves feed setting etc. build in from the factory for a wall thermstate ,By adding a aquasate to this feature the stove can then regulate the water's temp very nicely in the same way.
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Re: Installing Infomation and helpfull Links

Postby tommy » September 20th, 2011, 2:05 pm

Northland Distributing MFG INC.. at
http://www.northlanddistrib.com/
is another site that sells products for plumming in boilers
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Re: Installing Infomation and helpfull Links

Postby tommy » September 21st, 2011, 11:17 pm

As far as hooking up to your home goes it does depend on what you are hooking the kits hot water in to .
look under the same post and open the Central boiler link and scroll down there is many diagrams on there. Look at the one that is closes to what you are looking to do.

Your heating contractor or Plummer should find the one that works for your system that you would like to do. It really does not matter if you heat the water with a out side wood boiler , gas or an elect one they all are about the same. He will ask how does the kit control the waters temp if the stove is running and making continues hot water .The answer is hook the stove up to aquastate to adjust the stoves temp settings.( the Harman kits come with one in the kit.) because Harman stoves uses omens instead of a normally close or normally open thermostats system. He may want to add another aquastate to the furnace fan control on your forced air furnace and set it turn on the blower when the waters temp is at ( lets say for now 150 degree ) to turn on the blower motor. If you plan to put a heat exchanger into you furnaces plenum like the one shown in the same posting ( it looks like a car radiator )
Installing Infomation and helpfull Links
He will need to make sure that the pellet stoves kit has a supply of water of at least 6 gallons to be calculated thru the furnaces heat exchanger and back to the kit in the stove. If you all so want to heat your demisic hot water heater you will need to install a hot water heater tube heat exchanger like the one the Lady is showing to do, on the Central boiler link also. ( When you open the central boiler link just click on the video ) The water from the kit goes thru this exchanger first, in the loop then the next thing to go thru is the furnaces heat exchanger and back to the 6 gallon or so water supply for the pump to. continues pump the cooler water into the stoves kit and around it goes.
I Know this all seems over whelming to you. how ever to him it is really simple
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Re: Installing Infomation and helpfull Links

Postby tommy » February 9th, 2012, 2:38 am

hope this helps
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Re: Installing Infomation and helpfull Links

Postby tommy » March 9th, 2012, 8:46 pm

Here is a company that make a nice wall panel if you do not have one allready and you do not want to build your own

http://www.hydro-smartwholesale.com/Panels.html



INTEGRATOR PANELS HELP MAKE RADIANT HEAT EASY & RELIABLE

Constructed with top quality materials, including heavy duty type L copper pipe and a powder coated panel.
Engineered and proven panel design uses professional hydronic practices.
By working smarter not harder, a pre-assembled panel saves job site labor expense and time.
With nothing extra and nothing spared on each panel, every component is there to help ensure your system provides years of trouble free operation.
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Re: Installing Infomation and helpfull Links

Postby tommy » March 29th, 2012, 12:43 pm

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Re: Installing Infomation and helpfull Links

Postby admin » November 29th, 2012, 4:41 pm

Nice job
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Re: Installing Infomation and helpfull Links

Postby admin » September 12th, 2013, 11:19 pm

Taco just came out with a new pump Called a Bumble Bee
http://www.taco-hvac.com/en/products/Bu ... tegory=405
One of the first once is now installed into a Crosslink Conversions kits in a Harman p68 stove in New jersey . He says it is pumping up to 13 gallons per min thru the kit. at start up and then as needed it slows the gpm down to hold the kits water temp at the setting you wish. If you need more info on how is works .I will be posting more info or try to get the person useing it to post his findings :idea:
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Postby tommy » November 26th, 2013, 6:19 pm

This works very effincent
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Re: Installing Infomation and helpfull Links

Postby tommy » February 1st, 2015, 10:47 am

just an update I do not sell any kits with the copper piping like in the pictures for the installing they all are made of stainless steel now
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